I know he is mentioned briefly in the Besitary 1 excerpt about demon lords, but I was sad to see he was missing in the Book of the Damned 2 book. between that AP and the Demogorgon Demonomicon entry from Dragon Magazine, you pretty much have Demogorgon as he'd exist in Pathfinder anyway.įair enough, I'll check him out. That's more or less my attempt to get in everything I wanted or had to say about Demogorgon out of my system before I couldn't talk about him anymore. Check out the Savage Tide adventure path. I really liked him and while Lamashtu is a good replacement, I'll still miss him. Various demon/devil lords, for example, not the least of which was Orcus. If I recall they were made before Hasbro bought WotC, and essentially made a huge number of iconic D&D monsters open content. ![]() IIRC it's also in the tome of horrorsNecromancer Games' Tomes of Horror were a godsend. We looked at each other and were all thinking, "Beholders? Cake." The Cleric had cast Righteous Might on the surprise round, and jumped up with me on the 5th beholder and we tore it to shreds. So now it was the 5th Beholders turn and he hit the rogue with a flesh to stone, and missed everything else. Ended up rolling 17d6 + 10 while I only had 3d8 + 39. The rogue cackled with glee because he had a 5d6 sneak attack and a short sword that once per day could deal 10d6 shock as part of an attack. Now there was only two left, and I managed to tag-team it with the Rogue and we both got crits on the thing and dropped it. That same wizard who stole my glory fired another disintegrate, and killed his second beholder, then the other wizard fired off her disintegrate and got the third beholder. This triggered the other beholders in the room to turn and come at us, and stat fighting. Turns out the creature would have died even if he made his save because I got my full attack off. I did a lot of damage, then the wizard (one who didn't cast the sphere) cast tossed the silence rock behind him, then cast disintegrate. I managed to sneak up on the beholder and managed to get a full attack off. We started off with creeping down a tunnel (wizards, and cleric under silence and invisibility sphere, I was scouting and rogue was in the rear). Myself (ranger barbarian) the rogue/trickster, and the cleric were all 10th level and the two wizards in the party were 11th level. In the post I made above with the wizard stealing my glory after I crept up on the beholder, we actually fought and killed 5 beholders in less than 5 rounds at level 11ish. ![]() Apparently they've updated their claim over time. The complete 'product identity' list from the legal notes:ĭungeons & Dragons, D&D, Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master, Monster Manual, d20 System, Wizards of the Coast, d20 (when used as a trademark), Forgotten Realms, Faerūn, proper names (including those used in the names of spells or items), places, Red Wizard of Thay, the City of Union, Heroic Domains of Ysgard, Ever-Changing Chaos of Limbo, Windswept Depths of Pandemonium, Infinite Layers of the Abyss, Tarterian Depths of Carceri, Gray Waste of Hades, Bleak Eternity of Gehenna, Nine Hells of Baator, Infernal Battlefield of Acheron, Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus, Peaceable Kingdoms of Arcadia, Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia, Twin Paradises of Bytopia, Blessed Fields of Elysium, Wilderness of the Beastlands, Olympian Glades of Arborea, Concordant Domain of the Outlands, Sigil, Lady of Pain, Book of Exalted Deeds, Book of Vile Darkness, beholder, gauth, carrion crawler, tanar'ri, baatezu, displacer beast, githyanki, githzerai, mind flayer, illithid, umber hulk, yuan-ti.ĮDIT: Hmmm, elsewhere I see the balhannoth listed too, but it wasn't on the v3.5 SRD list above. However, the solution adopted by D&D all those years ago also applies. improperly trading on the reputation of the other brand to improve their own sales. They are argued to be representative of the 'D&D brand' and thus use of those monster names by others would be like a new soft drink copying Coca-Cola's logo. The various 'iconic monsters' are the same issue. TSR did a quick rewrite to 'halflings', 'treants', 'wraiths', 'balor', and so forth to avoid violating trademark (not copyright) on the specific creature names. ![]() Zaentz, who had acquired the rights to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, sued TSR claiming infringement for 'hobbits', 'ents', 'nazgul', 'balrogs', and various other things. as first established in the very Tolkien Enterprises (aka Saul Zaentz) vs TSR suit you refer to. If it seems odd, understand they got sued for wanting to have "hobbits" in their games thus the birth of halflings.Īctually, it is impossible to 'copyright' a fantasy race. Thalin wrote: Gelatinous Cubes, Troglodytes, Beholders, and a few other "made up" DND creatures are considered "iconic" and copyrighted by DND.
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